Osiris and Dumzid

I am briefly unretiring this blog to share some thoughts on comparing Sumerian and Egyptian Mythology. This is not based on a Joseph Campbell like “all mythologies are the same” kind of Comparative mythology. Civilization began in Sumer first as early as at least 4000 BC, but then Egypt second between 3300 and 3100 BC, and they were close enough that cultural exchange between them probably happened while Egypt was forming. 

Osiris and Dumuzid are both “dying and rising gods” associated with fertility and the underworld and both are depicted as Shepherds. Osiris is sometimes depicted as the fifth of the God-Kings while Dumuzid is the fifth of the Antediluvian kings on the Sumerian Kings list. 

So they are the lynchpin, not every Sumerian or every Egyptian deity is going to be relevant to this analysis, it’s still not about claiming there is an across the board one to one line up.  It’s just particular thoughts I’ve had on the topic. 

The father of Osiris is Geb or Gebeb (Seb is an Victorian era incorrect form of the name) whose name means The Earth. The father of Dumuzid is sometimes given as Enki the Sumerian god whose name means Lord of the Earth. Both these deities are associated with Fresh Water and with Serpents and with Kingship.

I also feel like Orisis’s sister Nephthys/Nebet-Het and Dumuzid’s sister Geshtinanna seem like similar archetypes.  

There is a duality to Set in Egyptian mythology, he’s not exclusively a villain in the story of Osiris and Horus. Set as a storm-god who kills Osirus could be Jirjire/Gigire of Inanna and Bilulu who also becomes a protective deity of the Desert like Set. 

Isis and Osiris do enter the Egyptian pantheon at the same time, in the middle of the Fifth Dynasty. And yet the Isis equals Inanna identification you likely expected is one I’ve grown increasingly skeptical of as I’ve worked on this.

Isis in Egyptian Mythology is neither a Love goddess or a War goddess.  And she originally was not a “Queen of Heaven” or associated with the planet Venus either, those were the things the Greco-Romans version of cults started doing, the star Isis was identified with was Sirius.  Of all the times modern pop culture thinks of Isis as being a Goddess of, a Mother Goddess is the only one that’s at all correct. 

Inanna is the exact opposite, she’s a Goddess of everything I just said Isis was not, and even though a few children are occasionally attributed to her, for the most part being Maternal is not part of her character. 

In Pre-Christian Polytheist mythologies every love goddess is a mother and every mother goddess is a lover because there was no conception of a virgin birth in their minds contrary to what edgy internet atheists keep claiming.  But not all of them had both those characteristics as equally defining to their character. And this contrast I’ve observed between Isis and Inanna is the starkest example of that. 

Another way in which Isis and Inanna were opposites is their relationship to the Underworld.  Inanna is an invader of the Underworld, a domain belonging to someone else. Isis does not revive Osiris by traveling to the Underworld, rather once the revived Osiris becomes a King in the Underworld Isis becomes Queen alongside him.  It is this underworld aspect of Isis that is most ignored in the modern pop culture conception of her.

Basically, my hot take is that Isis is actually Ereshkigal. Isis as our standard name for her is a Greek construction (as is Osiris who was really Osayir), when I first became aware of this I was exposed to Iset or Aset as the proper Egyptian form, but it seems the pronunciation changed over time and oldest form may have been Rusat, which I could see coming from Eresh. 

Ereshkigal is not explicitly depicted as taking Dumuzid as her husband in any of the versions of these myths we currently have. But the texts are inconsistent on who her husband was. But even in the texts as we have them, the ending of Inanna's descent into the underworld can be interpreted as implying Dumuzid is Ereshkigal’s husband while he’s in the underworld. 

Horus didn’t enter Egyptian religion at the same time Osiris and Isis did but rather was there from the beginning which is why I’m not really looking for Horus in Sumerian Mythology. The same is true of Set so at one point I didn't intend to do so for him either, but that Gigire connection was compelling. 

So I think when the Osiris and Isis cult came to Egypt, they were simply made the parents of Horus. 

Reincarnation originates in Western Mysticism actually.

Today we think of it as inherently Eastern, but it's association with the East is really all via schools of thought that originated in India and then spread further east mainly via Buddhism.

Janism and Buddhism are the oldest still existing belief systems in India that included Reincarnation from the start.  Modern Scholars do believe the idea existed among Vedic people already before them but the direct smoking gun proof is lacking.  As far as the different theories on when exactly Mahavira aka Vardhamma and Gautama Buddha lived goes, I'm inclined to favor the more recent models which agrees with many other modern historians, so that would be 540-468 BC for Mahavira and 480-400 BC for The Buddha.

Reincarnation existed in Greek thought even at the dawn of Classical Antiquity, the Greek term for it was Metempsychosis.  Pythagoras (570-495 BC) was the chief popularizer but at least one Philosopher definitely taught it before him, Pherecydes of Syros who lived 580-520 BC.  But the idea could be even older with some speculating both of them got it from the Orphic Mysteries, thing is it's difficult to be certain what any of the old Mystery Cults taught, but the Orphics seem to be the origin of the whole Dionysus being basically a reincarnation of Zagreus thing.

Now this view was never the most popular opinion on the Afterlife in Hellenistic thought, in my opinion Socrates probably did not actually teach it since it doesn't come up in Xenophon's Socratic dialogues, I consider Xenophon far more trustworthy then Plato as a quoter of Socrates.  Metempsychosis in Plato's Socrates is I feel the result of Pythagorean influence on Plato during the later decades of his life.  It was never Greece's mainstream afterlife view which was the Soul being stuck in Hades forever, nor was it a factor in Stoic or Epicurean thinking.  And of course once Christianization happened it was mostly wiped out of Greco-Roman thought, many Pythagorean/Platonist ideas that I consider contrary to Scripture were adopted by the Greek and Latin Fathers, but Metempsychosis was the one idea even the most enthusiastic Platonists knew they couldn't make compatible with The Bible, only a few of the full blown Gnostics even tried.

There is a good deal of evidence that the Ancient Celts/Gauls believed in Reincarnation, Alexander Cornelius Polyhistor, Julius Caesar, and Diodorus Siculus all attest to it, Valerius Maximus and Pomponius Mela also seemingly allude to it.  Hippolytus of Rome and Clement of Alexandria speculated on whether or not this implied a connection between them and Pythagoras.

Evidence of it in Ancient Germanic Paganism also exists.  Appian in the Second Century said the Teutons believed in Reincarnation, the Poetic Edda also has some allusion to a belief in Reincarnation.  This Germanic form of Reincarnation was revived by some Nazis like Heinrich Himmler who believed himself to be a reincarnation of Henry The Fowler, and there's even a quote about Reincarnation attributed to Hitler himself.

The Thracians are also speculated to have had a belief in Reincarnation.  If the theory of an Armenian origin for Plato's Myth of Er is correct, then that's another Indo-European people who may have had the concept in their now mostly lost Ancient Pagan beliefs.

There was more contact between Classical Greece and India then people realize thanks to the Silk Road.  But even if Reincarnation beliefs in India did develop before or independent of Metempsychosis in Greece, it still originated among the Indo-Iranian speaking peoples, proper ancient Dravidian Folk religion doesn't have it.

When it comes to the Far East I know more about Japan then anywhere else thanks to my Weeb tendencies.  Japan has a more fluid approach to Religion then most countries, so today belief in Reincarnation may exist there among people in Japan who wouldn't properly be classified as Buddhists.  And for our oldest sources even the Kojiki and the Nihon Shoki weren't written down till after Buddhist presence in Japan was established.  But I still feel it's apparent from studying them that Reincarnation was not a part of Japanese thought prior to Buddhist influence.

Taoist texts alluding to belief in something like Reincarnation don't show up till the Han period (200 BC to 200 AD), and even then it's more like Avatars of Vishnu in Hinduism not Reincarnation for Normal non Divine people.  Taosim in general even today doesn't generally teach reincarnation, rather their view on The After Life is the basis for the After Life presented in Star Wars (as well as a lot about The Force itself, see Rick Worley's video on the Whils.).  Indeed if I were to compare Taoism to a school of Classical Greek Philosophy it would be the Stoics rather then Pythagoras or Plato.

Now I know attributing to "The West" something popularly thought of as Eastern is often something White Supremacists do.  But I do not believe in Reincarnation or consider it's influence on the world a good thing.  I have enjoyed some fiction that involves Reincarnation in it's premise, like some of that Anime I'm into and The Legend of Zelda.  But I think seriously believing in it in real life can prove to be quite dangerous.

King Midas might be mentioned in The Bible

Isaiah chapter 14 verse 4 after directing the Prophet's attention specifically to the King of Babylon says in the KJV "How hath the Oppressor ceased! how hath the Golden City ceased!".  In the Young's Literal Translation "Golden City" reads "Golden One".  This is two English words being used to translate one word in the Hebrew, a word that the Strongs Concordance says actually means "Gold Making".

The word in question is Madhebah, it's core root is Dhab the Aramaic word for Gold used in passages like Daniel 2 and 3, it's related to the equivalent Hebrew word Zahab.  A Mem as a prefix typically carried the meaning of "from".  And a Heh at the end as a suffix tends to make a word feminine, but scholars tend to feel that doesn't necessarily imply anything about the Gender of who or what's being referred to unless it's a personal name.

When you remember the lack of Vowels in the Hebrew Alphabet, and how the "S" at the end of a name in Greek transliterations are usually not part of the original name, and how Greek had no latter equivalent to the Hebrew Heh.  A connection between this word and Midas (called Mita in Assyrian inscriptions) is plausible.  Hebrew authors with a poetic style like Isaiah often give foreign Kings names that are on some level Hebrew word play, so I'm not saying the form here is the original.  And I don't think I need to explain how Midas is a name associated with Gold.

There was a historical Midas who did rule Phrygia and reigned around 700 BC, contemporary with Isaiah.  The Classical Greeks tended to consider that Midas the second Midas and attributed their legends of a King Midas to someone who lived way before the Trojan War.  But Homer himself makes no allusion to a past Midas when talking about the Trojan War (and I've recently come to support the 808 BC date for the fall of Troy).  The Greek myths of Midas are I feel clearly fantastical myths inspired by the 700 BC Midas who the Greeks pushed further back into the mythical past.

Some Greek sources also claim the Wife of the 700 BC Midas was the first to mint coins.  Modern historians scoff at that idea, feeling confident no coinage existed prior to Lydian innovation nearly 200 years later. But if this early coinage experiment used Gold rather then Silver coins, then I suspect all those coins were eventually melted down to be used for other things, especially after Silver coins became standard, explaining the lack of an archeological record for them.  

Thus the 700 BC Midas would be the origin of the name's association with Gold.  And it was actually his Wife, a Female, who did the "Gold Making".

But Midas wasn't the King of Babylon, so why mention him here?  Leaving aside my belief that the ultimate final fulfilment of this Prophecy is still yet future, which is the kind of thing I discus on a different blog where I have been flirting with the idea of eschatological Babylon being Turkey since before I even discovered this.

Midas was also in conflict with Assyria during the same time Isaiah's contemporary King of Babylon was, and was eventually also defeated and his capital city Gordium/Gordion was in turn destroyed by the Cimmerians in 695 BC not long before Assyria destroyed Babylon in 691 or 689 BC fulfilling Isaiah 21.  So Isaiah could have been throwing in a reference to an ally of Babylon.

But maybe Gordion also had a Temple that was thought of as a "Gate of the gods" or "House of Heaven" similarly to Temples of Enlil and Marduk in Mesopotamia?

Sailor Scouts, Japanese Planet Names and their Greco-Roman counterparts

Sailor Mercury is the Sailor Scout who’s elemental association is most likely to seem pretty random to western fans.  The Planet Mercury is quite probably the driest rock in the solar system, and Hermes wasn’t particularly associated with water either.  However when you dig into Sailor Moon more you learn that for most of the Senshi their Civilian surnames reference the Japanese names of their Planets. 

Sailor Mercury is Ami Mizuno.  Mizuno means “of water” the Kanji Mizu also pronounced Sui depending on context, means Water, and Suisei is the Japanese name of Mercury which means Water Star.  This is perhaps based on ancient Japanese beliefs about the planet from long before they were exposed to Western Astronomy.

However what I feel like drawing attention to is that there is at least one ancient Gaijin precedent for associating the planet Mercury with Water.  The Sumerian deity associated with the planet we call Mercury was Enki, and Enki was also associated with Water and the Seas, his Temple in Eridu being called the Abzu, he was in a lot of ways arguably the Poseidon/Neptune figure of the Mesopotamian pantheon, and was also conflated with the Canaanite Yam.

However he was also associated with some of the same things Hermes and Thoth were associated with, Knowledge and Learning and Intelligence.  And those traits are also why Ami Mizuno is still considered justifiably a Hermes type personality.

While Sailor Mercury might be the first one we think of as odd, Sailor Mars who's civilian name is Rei Hino is not what I’d expect a western writer to do with that planet either.  Her color is Red so that fits, but she’s not really the most Soldier or Warlike of the group, the 90s Anime does give her those Tsundere traits but I don’t see that as actually making someone good at War.  And I don’t know of many other contexts where Ares is associated with Fire.  

Oracles/Prophetesses in Greek Mythology tend to be associated with Apollo like Cassandra and the Pythia of Delphi, but the implied vow of Chastity in her status as a Miko could make one think of his twin Artemis, as well as one of her attacks taking the shape of a Bow and Arrow.

But as you might have guessed by now, Hino means “of fire” and the Japanese name for Mars is Kasei which means Fire Star.  

Interestingly associating a Prophetess with Fire actually makes sense to me Biblically.  In The Bible Prophets are vessels of The Holy Spirit, and the Baptism of The Holy Spirit is with Fire (Luke 3:16-17 and Matthew 2:10-11).  A Fire that purges one of Sin (Malachi 3:3) because God’s punishments are for correction (Habakkuk 1:12 and Proverbs 3:11).  Hence “in the name of Mars I will chastise you”.

Sailor Jupiter/Makoto Kino is where things start to make more sense, since she can call down Thunder to smite her foes.  But most of her attacks are actually more Grass type making it difficult to find a good Pokémon to represent her, there are no Electric/Grass hybrids yet that I’m aware of. As far as analyzing her personality traits go, she’s almost more like Hera than Zeus. 

Kino means “of Wood” and the Japanese name for Jupiter is Mokusei which means Wood Star. 

Now I know many might jump to saying she’s the actual Mars of the group since she’s the one with a reputation for kicking @$$ even when a normal human.  However that is something that is far more stressed in the 90s Anime than it is in the original Manga, the Manga does indeed introduce her with a Sukeban vibe, but it’s more interested in how that outward appearance is misleading.

Sailor Venus is the only one of the four Inner Senshi where her Greco-Roman namesake is explicitly evoked with her quite often calling herself the Goddess of Love.  And her surname isn’t a reference to Kinsei the Japanese name for Venus but instead is Aino meaning “of Love”.  However Kinsei means “Gold Star” and Sailor Venus is definitely associated with Gold in terms of her color palate and her weapons.

And yet, Minako is in fact the most Soldier minded of the group, as a result of being the first who’s Moon Kingdom memories returned.  However this is most stressed in the Manga and almost completely ignored by the 90s Anime where her Sword is removed from the story.  Minako is Aphrodite, but she is Aphrodite Areia.

Overly Sarcastic Productions has a video on Aphrodite going over how she descends from Astarte, Ishtar and Inanna.  One of the topics discussed is how Ishtar was a Goddess of both Love and War but how Aphrodite in Greece only kept that aspect in Sparta.  There are some important things left out.  The role Cyprus plays is Astarte’s journey to the west (which also hindered their Pygmalion video).  And I feel an argument can be made that this separating the War Goddess from the Love Goddess was already starting in the Middle East and was not solely a result of Greek gender norms.  In Canaanite/West Semitic texts like those found at Ugarite, Astarte does not still have any Warlike characteristics if Anath exists as a separate distinct Goddess.  And while no Anath equivalent exists in Mesopotamia, I would argue in Greece she exists as Enyo, a War Goddess consort of Ares. I was going to also mention Adrestia, an alleged daughter of Ares and Aphrodite, but I’ve found no primary source evidence that she existed in Ancient Greece, it seems she’s a modern invention of the Internet like the Time Traveling Goatfish.

Sparta allowing Aphrodite to be a War Goddess didn’t stop them from viewing Human Warfare as strictly for men.  But they did think their women should be Fit, Athletic and capable of defending the home while their husbands are away.  The only Women to ever compete in the Ancient Olympics were from Sparta.  So Minako being the one who does sports kind of fits that.

Ya know those Ancient Greece themed Sexy Halloween Costumes designed to keep the woman's Legs fully visible?  Well in actual Ancient Greece that was only acceptable in Sparta.

Ultimately though my ideal Aesthetic for Aphrodite Areia isn’t quite anyone from Sailor Moon but the Magical Girl Warrior costumes from Ai Tenshi Wedding Peach, who’s Anime had the same character designer as the first 2 seasons of the 90s Sailor Moon Anime and the Promise of The Rose movie and now the Eternal films.

Could the Canaanite Asherah be a Gaia figure?

First of all I want to say that the traditional interpretatio graeca for the Canaanite Pantheon based on Philo of Byblos's writings I think is a valid way to look at things since I think Greek Mythology as we know it is very much a late developed composite mythology with multiple reflections of their more ancient originals.  And the evidence from Mycenean inscriptions that Poseidon rather then Zeus was once head of the Olympian pantheon fits well with him as Yam.

But I'm currently most interested in the picture that begins to form when you simply translate the main names of the Baal Cycle characters into Greek.  Mot becomes Thanatos (Death), and since Yam is a male deity he becomes Pontos (Sea).  This points us in the direction of equating them with the Greek Primordial Deities.

This doesn't work for all of them of course, El, Asherah, Baal Hadad, Astarte and Anath are ones who's names' translations aren't known deity names in Greek.

There is no Deity in the Canaanite pantheon named Heaven or Earth, so Ouranos is one who's a little up for grabs.  El is usually identified with Anu in Mesopotamia which works for making him Ouranos, but Enlil is also a god of the Heavens in a sense and he's typically Baal-Hadad in Canaanite comparisons.  Aphrodite is definitely one of the Greek deities to come from Astarte, but in my view so is Eos and in some contexts Selene and Asteria.  When looking for an Astarte among the Primordial deities I can't help but think Philotes works best, and she is sometimes equated with Aphrodite, while Eris is similarly equated with Enyo making them work as Anath.  Given how Astarte herself is sometimes a War deity (like Aphrodite Areia) maybe Anath was not originally a separate goddess?

I feel like the way we casually think of Asherah and Astarte often swaps them.  Like when one tries to argue Asherah is the "Queen of Heaven" of Jeremiah even though that title is Inana/Ishtar in Mesopotamia.  And then people want to think of Astarte as a fertility goddess because of her association with Baal.

The Asherah Poles aka Asherim are similar to Celtic Maypoles, they are an aspect of nature worship.  Meanwhile if El is Anu in Mesopotamia then his wives (who I think were all originally different names or titles of the same goddess) are Gaia figures. Ki and Uras both mean Earth, and Nammu is identified as the mother of deities elsewhere called Anunaki, a name that clearly makes them children of Ki, and Antu is a feminine form of Anu like Elat as a title of Asherah. And in Greek Theogonies Gaia is the mother of Pontos just as Asherah is refereed to as the mother of Yam.  Then Lotan could be the basis for Thammus, Porchys & Keto and their children including Ladon.

If we went with Ouranos as Baal-Hadad rather then then El then who is El?  I'm thinking probably Eros if the original Theogeny is in fact the one that makes Eros the first god.  Asherah is in different contexts seemingly both the mother and a consort of Baal-Hadad, which fits the relationship between Ouranos and Gaia quite well.

If we went with Ouranos as El then maybe Baal-Hadad would be Cronos, or Dagan as Cronos and Baal-Hadad as Zeus?

Update: Malachi 3:12 uses Asharah (translated Happy) in a way thing is linked tot he Eretz of Israel.

The Fall of Gondolin and the Fall of Troy

I think the development of the Lay of the Fall of Gondolin was partly influenced by the tradition of tales about the Fall of Troy.  But the only major article I've found already exploring that is one by Alexander M Bruce written in 2012 focusing mainly on the account of Troy's Fall in Book II of the Aenied with Tuor as Aeneas.

Tolkien certainly may have read that, but given what his overall goals and interests were in developing his Arda mythology, I think the reference to Troy in Snorri Sturluson's Prose Edda is far more likely to be the main account of Troy that Tolkien would have drawn on.

Like in Bruce's Aeneid theory it has Turgon as Priam and Idril Celebrindel as a daughter of Priam.  But Tuor would instead be Múnón or Mennón.  There is some disagreement on who in the earlier accounts of Troy Múnón is based on, he could be the Menon mentioned in Book 12 of the Illiad.  But the more popular fan theory is that he's Memnon.

Memnon lead an army of "Aethiopians" to Troy from the East.  Aethiopia in Greek Mythology didn't quite always mean the kingdom(s) in Africa south of Egypt, Homer said there were Aethiopians at both the far Western and Eastern ends of the Earth.  Being called a "Son of the Dawn" implies Memnon came from the East.  Remember during the time of Tuor from the Elves POV Men had only just recently entered Beleriand from the East.

However the key detail that I think Sturluson's version of Troy has in common with Gondolin that I don't think any other version does is having Twelve Houses.

Near the earth's centre was made that goodliest of homes and haunts that ever have been, which is called Troy, even that which we call Turkland. This abode was much more gloriously made than others, and fashioned with more skill of craftsmanship in manifold wise, both in luxury and in the wealth which was there in abundance. There were twelve kingdoms and one High King, and many sovereignties belonged to each kingdom; in the stronghold were twelve chieftains.

This same description is why I sometimes think Sturluson was just using Troy as a stand in for Jerusalem, but but that may just be me.

Of Gondolin's 12 Houses Tuor became Captain of the White Wing.

Sword Art Online and Gnosticism

I made this Tweet while Toonami was attempting to air episode 6 of Sword Art Online Alicization on March 16th 2019.

Mako-Chan‏ @JaredMithrandir 15m15 minutes ago

The way #SAO #Alicization is using the word #Soul makes more sense when your aware that the #Greek word translated #Soul in the #NewTestament is #Psyche.

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I can't say this is particularly Gnostic, but it reminds me of stuff I'd been wanting to talk about regarding the earlier seasons of Sword Art Online.

The TVTropes page UsefulNotes/Gnosticism claims Gnostic influence on a number of Anime and Video Games that I don't feel hold up.  Especially Evangelion (though I do defend that it's use of religious imagery isn't meaningless) and Final Fantasy VII which is as far the opposite of a Gnostic attitude as you can get.  Revolutionary Girl Utena is the one that holds up, well so does Serial Experiments Lain which I'm not sure was always there.

SAO isn't mentioned there even though I feel it's more applicable to SAO then it is to most they do mention.

First you need to understand that Platonic and Gnostic views of the world are in modern times highly related to the Simulation hypothesis, which frankly is also most of the basis for seeing The Matrix as Gnostic.  When talking about the first episode of season 2 Digibro mocks Kirito's suggestion that the real world might be no different from a Virtual World by saying something like "the real world doesn't disappear if you pull a plug".  However the response to that is pretty easy, what if "God" pulled a plug?  Ironically in his No Game No Life video from 2018 Digi seems to suddenly support a form of Simulation Hypothesis by quoting Elon Musk.

The first arc of SAO is kind of the proper Gnostic Allegory philosophically, since everyone is Sophia in that situation.  But the Alfheim arc while very problematic is the purest allegory of Gnostic mythology with Asuna as Sophia and the villain as a true Demiurge, not a true Creator but merely fiddling around with what Kaiba created.

I'm not gonna go any deeper then that today, I'm hoping to inspire further discussion of the topic from people more qualified then I am to talk about it.